Curse

Bryant Again · Jun 09, 2007, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

I agree, the only problem is the limited size of the area to type in. If they lengthen that it would be a thing of beauty. With more space it would be a much more effective trading tool as well.

I also agree that it would be a very cool tool, but at where it's at right now, it's not that it's hard to use, it's just not much of an alternative.

Sir Green Aluminum · Jun 09, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

I don't see how saying I went to town and found what I wanted implied that I was a buy/seller. I sell all my stuff to the merchant, I don't like standing around selling stuff. Where did you get I like to spam and buy/sell? Also yeah people avoid living around gangs and label it that bad part of the neighborhood, you know the place where no one wants to live. But I noticed your from UK does that mean you play on the European GW right? I never seen a capital city here that had only one district so my bad.

SlyClone · Jun 09, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

I've also noticed trade bots.

Subject 1 spams message to Local Chat exactly once every 10 seconds. 24/7. Try to buy off subject 1, and get no response. Notice that Subject 1 has exact same message as Subject 1's other character used the day before.

Subject 2 uses macro program to spam same message 3 times in both Trade Chat and All Chat

Subject 3's Chat Window is so small that he/she thinks that once his message goes out of view in his/her Chat Window, it's time to paste a new message.

Subject 4 simply never uses Trade Chat, but always Local Chat.

Subject 5 manages to spam same message 3 times fast, and not one second later, 2 more times, then one more time after another second!! I've attempted this and always fail. Not sure how this is possible but I've seen it.

Subject 6 uses all caps and other distracting characters to attract buyers:

W T S @@@@@@|||||---- blablabla --------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------

Subject 7, the refined trader. The behaved Trader, the trader I would consider doing business with and keep my eyes open for:

Trade Chat, once every 10-15 seconds: WTS well defined and arranged message.

In essence, I will do business with potentially only 1 in 7 people. So you can imagine that in a Trade Hub City, I have Local Chat turned off, and ignore 10 people easily in less than 10 minutes to find what I'm looking to buy or behave accordingly, to be able to sell my items efficiently.

The reason people spam is simple: limited play time. And farmer's greed.

If someone is a chest runner, for example, and needs to "profit" from their items, they want to get as much money as possible in as little time as possible so they can go back out there and farm some more.

Most of the people who do that have limited play time, kerfews, what not.. they have "a life" as they say, and don't want to spend hours trying to sell their "sick, sometimes not so sick, often useless" items, in a civilized way, because they think that their message will not be noticed unless they do what Subjects 1 through 6 are succeptible to do.

Think about it folks. Learned behaviour is contagious.

Subject 7 gets my attention 100 times faster than any of the others, imo.

So do it. And stop crying.

freekedoutfish · Jun 09, 2007, 12:47 PM // 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Green Aluminum

I don't see how saying I went to town and found what I wanted implied that I was a buy/seller. I sell all my stuff to the merchant, I don't like standing around selling stuff. Where did you get I like to spam and buy/sell? Also yeah people avoid living around gangs and label it that bad part of the neighborhood, you know the place where no one wants to live. But I noticed your from UK does that mean you play on the European GW right? I never seen a capital city here that had only one district so my bad.

It isnt just capital cities that have spamming, and it isnt just trade spamming that is the issue. You get people spamming party searches and other nonsense.

If your in a small outpost that has only on district and its being spammed by trading, or other communications. Then you have no choice but to endure it! It isnt just a problem limited to capital cities, where you can run away to other districts and get away from it!

But the gang analazy still stands.

It isnt always about you avoiding the areas where gangs hang out. Gangs can move into places where you hang out such as pubs. Would you stop hanging out at your local because a gang moved in.

cce · Jun 09, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

I really like the WTB/WTS feature. I just wish it'd also apply to alliance/guild chat so that no matter where I'm at, it'd use the chat channel with this prefix.

On a related note, what they could do to make this really good is add an island group on the Balthazar's map that is a marketplace. It could be a center/spoke model, with 5/6 side rooms:

Balthazar's Marketplace - make the scenery weapons of all kinds, include a weapon crafter, storage, and basically hope that people that want to buy/sell weapons go here. Add a weapon mod "trader" and make this the only place where that trader is at. This way people buying/selling weapons and moding them will come here.

Lyssa's Magic - make the scenery here include staves/wands; ideally having the only staff mod trader in the whole game to encourage people to go here to buy/sell magic-related components.

Dwayana's Eatery - put foodstuffs everywhere, include traders for cupcakes and all sorts of stuff like that here. If you're after pve mods, this is where someone should be.

Melandru's area? This should be the ultimate material trader spot; perhaps get rid of rare material traders everwhere, and move them here... to force people to come here to trade in rare materials

Grenich's area? likewise, I'd move the scroll traders here, make people come here for scrolls and related stuff

the new god, I ferget her name's place: This might be the perfect place to be trading skill books and such

cce · Jun 09, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52

I'd parrot SlyClone's message. When i'm trying to buy something, I note which ones are bots, and add them to my ignore list. *ANYONE* who tries tosell in regular chat is in my ignore list when I'm in the buying mode.

SlyClone · Jun 09, 2007, 07:16 PM // 19:16

cce - that is a very nice idea you got goin on there.. *bow*

I think that would be a viable solution to prevent Trading in our capital Cities once and for all so that "role play" can in fact become more commonplace in GW.

Sure there would be the usual spammers in those little areas too, but not as many.. therefore the ability to read messages would be greatly improved without the use of Ignore List and stuff that we usually have to include in out daily Trading routines..

Just as long as there is absolutely no COMMON trading area that can be abused by people who sell/buy the whole spectrum of items..

And reduced amount of people in each area will not attract any "Guild Recruiting Spammers"

They can stay in the capital/starting cities where they belong.

Man.. This would be a dream come true. And very achievable. But It probably won't come out until 2008 if they consider it...

It's nice to see people with this kind of imagination roam the forums.. Solid idea!

Cheers!